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  1. Avatar photo Pmary
    December 27, 2010 @ 10:56 am

    The Resurrection on One of the Sabbaths?

    * The possible hidden scenes are a rash burial of a one piece linen cloth placed around Jesus’ body on Wednesday the preparation (secular) day of Nisan 20th.
    After the high sabbath (John 19:31) of Thursday Nisan 21st, Joseph returns to the tomb with Pilate’s permission on the preparation (secular) day of Friday Nisan 22nd with linen strips and a headdress, and wraps the body with aromatic spices under a guarded watch well before the weekly Sabbath. The linen strips are re-discovered neatly rolled up on the evening (end) of Saturday Nisan 23rd when Peter comes to the sepulcher. The guards quickly bring word to the priests who seek for Joseph in the holding cell knowing that he was the last person working in the tomb but he is not revealed until about 40 days later.
    * This narrative does not suit a Friday to Sunday chronology too well.
    The sign of Jonah also holds little merit if the missing Joseph was with Jesus at a time on the weekly sabbath before a Sunday resurrection.

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    • Avatar photo Gerhard Ebersöhn
      August 6, 2011 @ 10:56 am

      Not true allegations

      …1. There were no “possible hidden scenes”

      …2. There was no “rash burial” but the meticulously “ETHICAL” John 19:40b BURIAL Joseph had undertaken from beginning of the Sixth Day Mark 15:42 Matthew 27:57 John 19:31,38 Luke 23:50 UNTIL Luke 23:54-56a John 19:42.

      …3. There were more than “one piece linen cloth” John 20:6

      …4. It was not “After the high sabbath (John 19:31)”; it was “THAT DAY OF great day sabbath-OF” passover

      …5. It was not “Nisan 21st”; it was ‘Nisan’ 15

      …6. It was not “the high sabbath (John 19:31) of Thursday”; it was “THAT DAY OF great day sabbath-OF” passover “SINCE IT WAS The Preparation” “WHICH IS The Fore-Sabbath”, i.e., ‘Friday’

      …7. “Joseph” does not “return… to the tomb with Pilate’s permission on the preparation (secular) day of Friday”, “After the high sabbath (John 19:31)”; he BEGINS his whole undertaking “when already it was evening” in the NIGHT “after these things” of the Jews’ request that the bodies be removed.

      …8. “the preparation … day of Friday” was no “secular” day; it was “THAT DAY OF great day sabbath-OF” passover “SINCE IT WAS The Preparation” “WHICH IS The Fore-Sabbath”, i.e., ‘Friday’.

      …9. It was not “Nisan 22nd”; it was ‘Nisan’ 15 BEGINNING.

      …10. Joseph did not “wrap… the body with aromatic spices under a guarded watch”. The guard was only requested and stationed “on the morning after the Jews’ preparations / Preparation Day”, i.e., on the Sabbath (Seventh Day) “morning”.

      …11. Joseph closed the grave and finished the burial and went home and the women also, indeed “well before the weekly Sabbath”, in fact three hours “because the Jews’ preparations”-time had begun, “mid-afternoon while the Sabbath approached”.

      Yours is the classic example of arbitrary mal-application of the Scriptures.

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    • Avatar photo Georges
      March 12, 2016 @ 10:56 am

      DEATH OF MESSIAH ON WEDNESDAY NISSAN 14 NEW

      To me it looks as if Yahushuah Ha-Mashiach ate a Passover meal with His disciples on Nissan 14 (Tuesday evening). He was betrayed and arrested during the night and brought to the High Priest on Nissan 14. He was nailed to the stake/cross on Passover Day (Wednesday Nissan 14)at 9 a.m. and died at 3 p.m. He was buried before 6 p.m. on Wednesday Nissan 14 according to precise Jewish customs. Thus He fulfilled the Feast of Passover as the Passover Lamb. This Nissan 14 Wednesday was the Day of Preparation (Matthew 27:62) before the High Sabbath feast of Unleavened Bread on Thursday Nissan 15. This High Sabbath was in addition to the normal Sabbath day later in the week. Thus Yahushuah fulfilled the feasts of Passover and Unleavened Bread. Yahushuah then rose up on Nissan 17/Saturday evening at 6 p.m. and fulfilled the feast of First Fruits. He probably remained in the tomb for the whole of the Sabbath in the Jewish tradition as He was the Lord of the Sabbath. This version amounts to three full days and three full nights in the grave as in the case of Jonas in the belly of alarge fish/whale(Matthew 12:38-40). A past 6 p.m. resurrection amounts to a Sunday resurrection as Sunday/Ist Day would run from 6 p.m. on Saturday to 6 p.m. on Sunday. There were not witnesses when He arose and it could thus be anytime from past 6 p.m. on the Saturday to the next day. However this would amount to another night (i.e 4 nights) if he arose on Sunday a.m. By resurrecting on Nissan 17/Saturday evening at 6 p.m. it amounts to 3 full days and three full nights in the grave up to that point.

      Now all this looks correct as far as 3 full nights and days in the grave (i.e. 72 hours) but is it correct as far as other scripture variations? So Yahushuah died in the middle of the week on Nissan 14. He died in the middle of the 70th week of Daniel. He died in the middle and between two thieves. He is also in the middle between us and the Father Yahuweh! And thus we haggle with this one with full days and part days combinations to do justice to the cause. My choice of version as above is not infallible as neither I or any other were witnesses when He arose! I thought that 3 full days and three full nights are adamant and perhaps they are or not. I rest my case here!

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  2. Avatar photo Jose Morrelos
    April 18, 2012 @ 9:14 pm

    Plan A

    Jesus said to Nicodemus plainly that he would be lifted up and EGW says that meant on the cross. Jesus came to this world willingly knowing what his fate would be. There are so many references in the Bible to his crucifixion that I don’t see a way around it. As far was what God’s original intention was-well that was for Adam and Eve not to sin in the first place. The plan B was for Jesus to come as a sacrifice. Satan invented His death and he willingly offered himself. God simply knew ahead of time what the devil would do and put it in prophecy. We can’t speculate on what God was thinking. What we do know is that he came and offered His life. I’m thankful. I think it’s easy to get lost in details that aren’t of much importance..perhaps??

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  3. Avatar photo Jose Morrelos
    June 6, 2012 @ 9:10 pm

    Plan B

    I don’t agree with your plan A and then B for Jesus’ death. There’s nothing in prophecy that says he’d be sacrificed on the temple altar by a priest. Jesus told Nicodemus how he would die and told the disciples he would be crucified. The Old Testament prophecies point to his humiliation-being whipped, beard plucked out and crucified with the “engraven on the palms of my hands” for one example from Isaiah. I have to say that God’s plan A was for all the people to accept him as Messiah; that is clear from the Bible and because of His foreknowledge he knew what they would do. As far as God’s plan A to make Him a sacrifice on the altar with a high priest officiating is nothing other than speculation. (Idaho)

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    • Avatar photo Ray Foucher
      June 6, 2012 @ 9:11 pm

      Thank you for your comments. When others contribute thoughts it brings fresh thinking to the subject and helps us progress towards the best understanding.

      You may be correct. Certainly God did not foreordain that people should sin and reject the Messiah. It seems that He adapts His ways to man’s actions which He would do if He is honoring man’s free will.

      Here are a few thoughts. The reasons (and I think they are reasonable) that I suggest that plan A for Jesus’ death was not crucifixion are:

      * “The wages of sin is death …” (Rom 6:23) not crucifixion.
      * God did not invent crucifixion, the Romans did. To say God did would totally distort the truth of God’s character.
      * No sacrificial lamb (all of which pointed to Jesus’ death) was ever nailed to a cross. They were all killed in a humane manner.
      * Abraham laid his son Isaac on an altar for the sacrifice. This was the clearest picture we have of what the Divine Father and Son would go through.

      Here are some related thoughts. The sanctuaries on earth including the temple at the time of Jesus’ death were models of the true sanctuary in heaven. (Heb 8:2). The sacrifices in the earthly tabernacle were pointing to the true sacrifice of the heavenly system which it would seem should take place on a corresponding altar of sacrifice in the heavenly sanctuary. Actually, the cross of Calvary on earth ended up being the altar of sacrifice of the heavenly sanctuary.

      “Heaven is my throne, and earth is my footstool: what house will ye build me? saith the Lord: or what is the place of my rest?” (Acts 7:49)

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    • Avatar photo Ray Foucher
      January 15, 2013 @ 9:14 pm

      Reference to Plan A in Old Testament

      Actually, Jose, there is a possible reference to Plan A in Psalms where it is speaking of the Messiah and then makes reference to binding the sacrifice to the altar:

      “Blessed be he that cometh in the name of the LORD: we have blessed you out of the house of the LORD. God is the LORD, which hath shewed us light: bind the sacrifice with cords, even unto the horns of the altar.” (Psa 118:26-27)

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    • Avatar photo Deee
      January 26, 2015 @ 9:11 pm

      the cross was never a set back but it was a set up that we may be saved.
      the power of God is never in theology bt in revelation and truth

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